In this episode, Charles and I discuss everything from the State of Separation and Interbeing; the role of patience in regenerating ecosystems and communities; how that patience is really also hope and trust that nature has your back, and SO much more! Charles is one of the leading minds in this emerging space and it is a true blessing to have had him with us!

Video Interview with Charles

Audio Interview with Charles


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